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Secrets cover-ups and strange phenomena

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UFOs and ideas that challenge reality

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itself all these Mysteries all this time

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are we ever going to get to the bottom

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of these my name is George Knapp I dig

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into news stories that others can't or

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won't I'm Jeremy Corbell and for some

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reason people tell me things they

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probably shouldn't

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and this

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is weapons

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perhaps we need some outside Universal

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threats

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here we are weaponized welcome back

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weaponized again I feel like we're gonna

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talk again about your exploits to Russia

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and you

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stealing taking classified documents

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from Russia to America about UFOs

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because the last time we talked about it

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you told us all about your meetings with

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government officials like how you

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infiltrated the the fall of Russia and

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got these head UFO government people to

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talk with you but you also talked with a

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whole bunch of scientists about their

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study of UFOs a whole separate part of

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this so so in 1992 the USSR collapsed uh

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in essence it was gone the Soviet former

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became Top Dog in Russia they were

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capitalism it's a period known as

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glasnost perestroika a new openness and

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unique opportunity to maybe find out

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what the Russians knew about UFOs the

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premise being maybe we could learn more

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from the Russians about what the

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American government knows about UFOs

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then the American government would ever

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tell us and that is exactly what we did

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we found out that there were

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similarities in both countries that both

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of those superpowers had said one thing

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to the public the Russians and the

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American governments and both said move

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along nothing to see here no big deal

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nothing to worry about with UFOs we got

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it under control said that to the public

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and then behind the scenes they

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conducted secret studies the Americans

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are still doing it the Russians were

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doing it back then we learned from a

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that they had conducted what amounts to

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the largest UFO study investigation in

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history the entire USSR the entire

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military had a standing order to fully

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investigate every ball of light every

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UFO every anomalous craft all that

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to the ministry of defense and I was

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able to obtain copies some of them

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original copies some of it classified

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information at the time of their their

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in their investigative reports the UFO

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incidents thousands of cases some of

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them incredibly dramatic we had also

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that a number of scientists had been

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studying this in secrecy for a long time

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this is advanced technology and if they

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could figure it out and duplicate it

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out who else knows about this and and

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changes that people wanted to to talk

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secrets to us it was really exciting

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period of dramatic political and social

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what the future might hold and and so

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documents and everything you've shown me

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it's very clear Russia was aware that

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UFO presence in reality exactly so you

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the world there are esteemed scientists

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who quietly investigate this stuff on

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their own and I met a number of them in

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Russia one of them was a guy named Dr

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Julie fomine he was a colleague of Felix

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Siegel he'd been out on these Landing

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site Trace cases he for a while

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investigated UFOs

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on behalf of the Russian government and

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did it very quietly and he told us he'd

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give these briefings about his findings

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behind closed doors to Russian party

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officials and then after a while he came

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into disfavor and they stuck him in

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prison for a while because of his

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research it was capitalistic it was it

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was playing into the hands of American

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propagandists he did some time the an

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interview that we did with him in 1993

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was the first one he'd ever done with

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Western journalists or Eastern

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journalists as well so this scientist

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literally went to it was sent to jail

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because of the way he was openly

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speaking about his scientific studies of

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UFOs which was for the government

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initially it was for the government and

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then somehow he fell into disfavor and

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they put him in prison for it his

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research one of his colleagues was the

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guy named Dr REM verlamov who was

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teaching at a prestigious Moscow

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Institute of Technology he would also go

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along with ziegel after these Landing

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site Trace cases and collect samples he

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did some really interesting analysis

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that he shared with this he said

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we conducted an experiment to see if the

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energy generated by the UFO could affect

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time we synchronized two quartz

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timepieces

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attach the opposite ends of a metal rod

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placed one of the time pieces inside the

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UFO landing Circle and one was left

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outside and inside the circle time

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speeded up we repeated the results with

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mechanical timepieces so the willingness

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to study these alleged Landing sites is

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a pretty obvious example of the courage

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that some of these scientists had and he

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said there was a time Distortion effect

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at these Landing sites there was another

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guy who hold on hold on holy I mean

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so so what okay I just want to make sure

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I understand so they had these Landing

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Trace cases which we know people have

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studied but they actually found a

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temporal Distortion between inside of

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that Landing this is done by the

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scientist for the government inside time

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sped up so something about the

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propulsion system if it's gravitational

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had a residual effect yeah there was a

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residual energy that distorted time that

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was left there at that site

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um even more interesting was something

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that his colleague a colleague of his

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named Dr Yuri simikov he was a biologist

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he worked for a government

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biological lab we went to his lab saw

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his facilities he's a real scientist he

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had gone out to these Landing site Trace

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cases as well as part of the team and

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his specialty was looking for a

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microorganisms in the soil so he would

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go through the soil meticulously mapping

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where these single cell organisms were

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in the soil what he was able to do is

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were these things set down these crafts

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sat down there would be all these

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microorganisms right outside where where

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it touched the ground inside they were

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gone it was completely bereft of Life

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what he said was

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he told us that um

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the single cell organism simply

364
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disappeared they didn't die they didn't

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leave the sites they did leave the sites

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as if they were forced to leave we also

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performed experiments with wingless oh

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sorry

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an amazing quote Oh there's a page

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an experiment with wingless flies we put

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them in a covered dish held the dishes

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over the landing sites the Flies went

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wild I think these insects have

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different receptors than we do and can

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detect fields that are not known to us

376
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so he got so good at at mapping where

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the Single Cell organisms were in soil

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that he could tell you what the craft

379
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looked like that sat down at least what

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the bottom uh The Landing site part of

381
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it uh looked like and the designs were

382
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pretty exotic I showed you some photos

383
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of that this morning yeah yeah you

384
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showed me the photos in the hotel room

385
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uh but so that's so interesting so when

386
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these craft would land down single cell

387
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organisms wouldn't be in certain areas

388
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and they actually looked like crop

389
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circles and they're really beautiful

390
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yeah

391
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[Music]

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this is uh Dr Yuri simikov he worked at

393
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a plant lab a biological lab for the

394
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Russian government and he studied UFO

395
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landing site Trace cases and he was

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showing us

397
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he did some really interesting work so

398
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he'd go out with these other Russian

399
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scientists where Witnesses would say UFO

400
00:15:24,889 --> 00:15:22,980
was here and landed on the ground and he

401
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would go out and study it and he would

402
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dig into the soil his specialty was

403
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digging into the soil to look for one

404
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cell organisms and what he found was

405
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over the years at dozens of different

406
00:15:40,910 --> 00:15:38,399
UFO landing sites was where UFOs sat

407
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down the one cell organisms would

408
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disappear so you look in the soil right

409
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over here is a bunch of one cell

410
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organisms here there are none where the

411
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craft sat down so he is able to

412
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eventually

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develop a system where he mapped out

414
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what these crafts look like when they

415
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landed he could figure out what they

416
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with the Impressions that they made in

417
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the soil based on the lack of one cell

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organism so some of these landing craft

419
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The Impressions they made of the soil

420
00:16:13,189 --> 00:16:10,320
were pretty dramatic and it doesn't look

421
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like anything that we fly and he he

422
00:16:17,509 --> 00:16:15,420
shared that with us he gave us all that

423
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information and then he he had found

424
00:16:22,430 --> 00:16:19,199
these little orbs

425
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these little tiny perfect spheres they

426
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were opaque they were sort of reddish

427
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orangish color

428
00:16:30,710 --> 00:16:29,519
and he called them Cosmic sperm he

429
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thought they were some kind of a

430
00:16:36,769 --> 00:16:34,019
biological mechanism some kind of seeds

431
00:16:38,810 --> 00:16:36,779
and he gave me half of the world's known

432
00:16:41,389 --> 00:16:38,820
supply of cosmic sperm and I brought

433
00:16:43,430 --> 00:16:41,399
back that could be an effect of the

434
00:16:45,050 --> 00:16:43,440
field of due to the propulsion itself

435
00:16:47,210 --> 00:16:45,060
that created that design have you ever

436
00:16:49,610 --> 00:16:47,220
seen those videos where they take a

437
00:16:51,710 --> 00:16:49,620
plate and put a whole bunch of particles

438
00:16:53,629 --> 00:16:51,720
on the plate and do different tones of

439
00:16:55,550 --> 00:16:53,639
sound through the plate and different

440
00:16:57,170 --> 00:16:55,560
different uh octaves or different sounds

441
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have different designs that they create

442
00:17:01,370 --> 00:16:59,459
on the debris that's on the plate so the

443
00:17:03,050 --> 00:17:01,380
vibration of those frequencies so it

444
00:17:04,610 --> 00:17:03,060
could be when these things landed down

445
00:17:06,530 --> 00:17:04,620
and it looks like crop circles or

446
00:17:09,110 --> 00:17:06,540
whatever that it's from it's generated

447
00:17:10,850 --> 00:17:09,120
because of the propulsion system right I

448
00:17:12,650 --> 00:17:10,860
mean that's that's my guess that was his

449
00:17:14,569 --> 00:17:12,660
guess too not yeah yeah the other

450
00:17:16,789 --> 00:17:14,579
interesting thing that he found is at

451
00:17:19,549 --> 00:17:16,799
two different sites so one was a case

452
00:17:21,829 --> 00:17:19,559
right outside of Moscow a UFO had landed

453
00:17:24,049 --> 00:17:21,839
he goes to do his thing looking for a

454
00:17:26,169 --> 00:17:24,059
single cell organism is in the soil and

455
00:17:29,450 --> 00:17:26,179
he found something else these perfectly

456
00:17:32,330 --> 00:17:29,460
uh opaque little spheres in the in the

457
00:17:34,909 --> 00:17:32,340
soil he found them there at that site he

458
00:17:37,850 --> 00:17:34,919
found them again at a UFO ending Psych

459
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in Kazakhstan which is you know hundreds

460
00:17:41,750 --> 00:17:39,960
thousands of miles away uh different

461
00:17:44,150 --> 00:17:41,760
different part of the what used to be

462
00:17:46,850 --> 00:17:44,160
the USSR and the same kind of little

463
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spheres and he called them Cosmic sperm

464
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and he had them in a in a little petri

465
00:17:52,549 --> 00:17:50,940
dish there and he gave me some of them

466
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he gave me like half the world's known

467
00:17:57,529 --> 00:17:54,960
supply of cosmic sperm and said take

468
00:17:59,029 --> 00:17:57,539
them back he had the theory that they

469
00:18:01,430 --> 00:17:59,039
would Sprout that they were some kind of

470
00:18:04,130 --> 00:18:01,440
biological agent that they might Sprout

471
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into either a being or animal or plant

472
00:18:08,029 --> 00:18:06,240
or something like that gave them to me

473
00:18:09,289 --> 00:18:08,039
said take them back to the U.S do some

474
00:18:11,690 --> 00:18:09,299
tests on them let me know what you find

475
00:18:13,789 --> 00:18:11,700
out so I did I I took half the world's

476
00:18:15,350 --> 00:18:13,799
Cosmic sperm back to the U.S and did you

477
00:18:16,669 --> 00:18:15,360
plant some in your home Garden next to

478
00:18:18,890 --> 00:18:16,679
your Tomatoes I dropped them on my

479
00:18:21,950 --> 00:18:18,900
kitchen and I had to get down there and

480
00:18:23,690 --> 00:18:21,960
pick them all up and then I gave some to

481
00:18:25,310 --> 00:18:23,700
um a physicist who looked at him under

482
00:18:29,090 --> 00:18:25,320
an electron microscope pretty

483
00:18:31,430 --> 00:18:29,100
interesting perfectly uh symmetrical but

484
00:18:32,690 --> 00:18:31,440
he said look these things were not

485
00:18:35,150 --> 00:18:32,700
biological

486
00:18:37,310 --> 00:18:35,160
they were manufactured there had some

487
00:18:39,830 --> 00:18:37,320
high heat instrument had been used to

488
00:18:41,390 --> 00:18:39,840
make them and he didn't know what the

489
00:18:44,090 --> 00:18:41,400
purpose was or why you would find them

490
00:18:46,730 --> 00:18:44,100
at UFO landing sites in two remotely

491
00:18:49,549 --> 00:18:46,740
distant places but there you were I sent

492
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them to a Plant Pathology Lab at a at a

493
00:18:54,529 --> 00:18:51,480
Midwestern University they concluded

494
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that it also was a not biological it was

495
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manufactured didn't know who would make

496
00:19:01,130 --> 00:18:59,460
it what it was used for but it remained

497
00:19:02,330 --> 00:19:01,140
a mystery there's another part to that

498
00:19:05,690 --> 00:19:02,340
story

499
00:19:07,549 --> 00:19:05,700
uh where those uh objects I gave them to

500
00:19:09,289 --> 00:19:07,559
the Atomic Testing Museum I remember

501
00:19:11,270 --> 00:19:09,299
that in Las Vegas and they put it on

502
00:19:13,010 --> 00:19:11,280
display to be like you know these are

503
00:19:14,930 --> 00:19:13,020
artifacts from a spacecraft they call

504
00:19:16,430 --> 00:19:14,940
them alien artifacts which you know I

505
00:19:18,110 --> 00:19:16,440
don't know that they're alien artifacts

506
00:19:19,909 --> 00:19:18,120
I never said they were alien artifacts

507
00:19:21,350 --> 00:19:19,919
it just that's it they were mysterious

508
00:19:23,510 --> 00:19:21,360
and the Russians didn't know what they

509
00:19:25,250 --> 00:19:23,520
were they put them on display there and

510
00:19:27,409 --> 00:19:25,260
they were on display in this area 51

511
00:19:29,510 --> 00:19:27,419
exhibit for a couple of years I had

512
00:19:32,029 --> 00:19:29,520
given them all kinds of stuff loaned all

513
00:19:36,289 --> 00:19:32,039
this all kinds of books and uh Trinkets

514
00:19:38,029 --> 00:19:36,299
and memorabilia as well as some material

515
00:19:39,470 --> 00:19:38,039
that I got from a UFO crash site and

516
00:19:40,310 --> 00:19:39,480
down the course that we'll talk about in

517
00:19:42,950 --> 00:19:40,320
a minute

518
00:19:45,590 --> 00:19:42,960
and I got all that back except for the

519
00:19:47,750 --> 00:19:45,600
little Spears uh I said Hey where's the

520
00:19:49,310 --> 00:19:47,760
spears yeah we don't know so it's it's

521
00:19:51,230 --> 00:19:49,320
been four or five years now they still

522
00:19:52,909 --> 00:19:51,240
haven't returned them to me at all my

523
00:19:54,590 --> 00:19:52,919
inquiries to get them back have been

524
00:19:56,570 --> 00:19:54,600
unsuccessful nobody knows what happened

525
00:19:58,970 --> 00:19:56,580
to it the Atomic Testing Museum straight

526
00:20:01,250 --> 00:19:58,980
up Stole the World's supply of cosmic

527
00:20:03,409 --> 00:20:01,260
sperm from you yeah somebody there took

528
00:20:05,750 --> 00:20:03,419
it I got all the other stuff back except

529
00:20:07,070 --> 00:20:05,760
for that so did you ever I mean because

530
00:20:08,990 --> 00:20:07,080
my first question would be if they're

531
00:20:11,390 --> 00:20:09,000
not biological and there's some alloy

532
00:20:13,010 --> 00:20:11,400
you know forged in a high heat you'd

533
00:20:15,289 --> 00:20:13,020
imagine maybe that has something to do

534
00:20:17,690 --> 00:20:15,299
with the the again the propulsion

535
00:20:19,610 --> 00:20:17,700
systems of the UFOs who knows but did

536
00:20:22,370 --> 00:20:19,620
you ever have them elementally and

537
00:20:23,390 --> 00:20:22,380
isotopically analyzed I did you did I

538
00:20:26,870 --> 00:20:23,400
did

539
00:20:29,570 --> 00:20:26,880
um I gave it all over to nids and needs

540
00:20:32,150 --> 00:20:29,580
passed those samples onto bass which is

541
00:20:34,909 --> 00:20:32,160
part of the Dia's investigation of UFOs

542
00:20:36,470 --> 00:20:34,919
part of the OSAP program they did a

543
00:20:39,710 --> 00:20:36,480
complete analysis they did a chemical

544
00:20:41,330 --> 00:20:39,720
analysis I have not had the uh authority

545
00:20:42,950 --> 00:20:41,340
to go ahead and release that yet but I

546
00:20:44,870 --> 00:20:42,960
hope to do it there's no unknown

547
00:20:47,029 --> 00:20:44,880
elements in it uh I'll tell you that

548
00:20:49,789 --> 00:20:47,039
much there's no unobtainium in there

549
00:20:51,470 --> 00:20:49,799
there's no element 115 or something but

550
00:20:53,029 --> 00:20:51,480
the chemical composition was really

551
00:20:55,490 --> 00:20:53,039
interesting they really could not figure

552
00:20:57,470 --> 00:20:55,500
out who made them why they were made

553
00:21:00,230 --> 00:20:57,480
what their purpose was or how they would

554
00:21:02,690 --> 00:21:00,240
end up in the dirt at two alleged UFO

555
00:21:04,549 --> 00:21:02,700
landing sites so far apart wow that's

556
00:21:06,890 --> 00:21:04,559
amazing though I mean when you're able

557
00:21:08,930 --> 00:21:06,900
to actually get people like so nid's

558
00:21:11,570 --> 00:21:08,940
National Institute for Discovery Science

559
00:21:13,490 --> 00:21:11,580
that was run by Robert Bigelow so

560
00:21:15,230 --> 00:21:13,500
there's you know funds in place you have

561
00:21:17,690 --> 00:21:15,240
them elementally and isotopically

562
00:21:19,490 --> 00:21:17,700
analyzed yeah I hope people can research

563
00:21:21,770 --> 00:21:19,500
that the whole point is is that we share

564
00:21:23,630 --> 00:21:21,780
this information but you know look man

565
00:21:25,010 --> 00:21:23,640
I've been down that road as well you

566
00:21:27,289 --> 00:21:25,020
know sometimes when scientists are

567
00:21:29,330 --> 00:21:27,299
baffled by something you still can't

568
00:21:31,909 --> 00:21:29,340
identify what it is you just know it was

569
00:21:34,010 --> 00:21:31,919
fabricated that it's Unique but it

570
00:21:36,830 --> 00:21:34,020
doesn't go past that here's the other

571
00:21:38,750 --> 00:21:36,840
interesting part so in 1993 I go and

572
00:21:41,810 --> 00:21:38,760
talk to all these place people uh

573
00:21:44,750 --> 00:21:41,820
military folks scientists investigators

574
00:21:46,370 --> 00:21:44,760
they're all very very willing to share

575
00:21:48,470 --> 00:21:46,380
their stories uh their their

576
00:21:50,330 --> 00:21:48,480
investigations their research materials

577
00:21:55,549 --> 00:21:50,340
it was an exciting time

578
00:21:59,149 --> 00:21:57,590
Awakening to a young Bruce Willis

579
00:22:01,370 --> 00:21:59,159
spouting Russian is the first sign

580
00:22:03,350 --> 00:22:01,380
you're not in Kansas anymore but then

581
00:22:06,110 --> 00:22:03,360
the ad for Ginsu Knives lets you know

582
00:22:07,730 --> 00:22:06,120
it's not Oz either Western influence is

583
00:22:10,010 --> 00:22:07,740
far more pronounced here today than

584
00:22:11,990 --> 00:22:10,020
under the Communists but capitalism and

585
00:22:14,390 --> 00:22:12,000
democracy are still hanging on by their

586
00:22:17,330 --> 00:22:14,400
fingernails just getting to Moscow is

587
00:22:19,970 --> 00:22:17,340
daunting in itself up to 22 hours by air

588
00:22:21,950 --> 00:22:19,980
from Las Vegas even in early April

589
00:22:24,590 --> 00:22:21,960
temperatures hovered close to zero most

590
00:22:26,270 --> 00:22:24,600
of our visit some 400 people froze to

591
00:22:28,730 --> 00:22:26,280
death on Moscow streets this winter

592
00:22:31,250 --> 00:22:28,740
while the domes of the Historic Landmark

593
00:22:33,909 --> 00:22:31,260
still gleam with gold the vast majority

594
00:22:36,470 --> 00:22:33,919
of the population is dirt poor

595
00:22:39,470 --> 00:22:36,480
driving in this city is motorized

596
00:22:42,409 --> 00:22:39,480
Darwinism complete chaos punctuated by

597
00:22:44,570 --> 00:22:42,419
traffic as solid as cold magma anyone

598
00:22:46,730 --> 00:22:44,580
with money is considered Mafia the

599
00:22:48,649 --> 00:22:46,740
generic term for criminals many of the

600
00:22:51,470 --> 00:22:48,659
newly wealthy made theirs in one of

601
00:22:53,390 --> 00:22:51,480
moscow's 10 or so casinos which cater to

602
00:22:55,909 --> 00:22:53,400
Western tourists but whose Spartan

603
00:22:58,130 --> 00:22:55,919
interiors and Barren ads could use a

604
00:23:00,710 --> 00:22:58,140
little Las Vegas pizzazz

605
00:23:03,230 --> 00:23:00,720
we were in Moscow to establish ties with

606
00:23:05,570 --> 00:23:03,240
military officials concerning secret UFO

607
00:23:07,850 --> 00:23:05,580
studies the ministry of Defense admitted

608
00:23:09,770 --> 00:23:07,860
to us three years ago that such studies

609
00:23:11,630 --> 00:23:09,780
were a top priority hundreds of

610
00:23:14,149 --> 00:23:11,640
documents and photos were made available

611
00:23:16,310 --> 00:23:14,159
to us

612
00:23:18,590 --> 00:23:16,320
this time we interviewed the former

613
00:23:20,930 --> 00:23:18,600
Soviet air Minister the highest-ranking

614
00:23:23,390 --> 00:23:20,940
Russian to ever talk about UFOs with a

615
00:23:25,430 --> 00:23:23,400
western journalist and I go along with a

616
00:23:27,950 --> 00:23:25,440
crew from the BBC there was a producer

617
00:23:29,510 --> 00:23:27,960
named Jeremy Evans I was kind of Jaded

618
00:23:32,330 --> 00:23:29,520
by that point because I'd been burned by

619
00:23:34,789 --> 00:23:32,340
CBS and ABC that they wanted to retrace

620
00:23:36,470 --> 00:23:34,799
my steps in Russia these guys actually

621
00:23:38,870 --> 00:23:36,480
did what they said they would do they

622
00:23:40,370 --> 00:23:38,880
brought me back we went to go see all

623
00:23:42,529 --> 00:23:40,380
these people that I had interviewed in

624
00:23:44,570 --> 00:23:42,539
1993. so hold on this is your second

625
00:23:46,010 --> 00:23:44,580
trip second trip okay so and that's why

626
00:23:47,990 --> 00:23:46,020
I was always wondering why you went back

627
00:23:49,430 --> 00:23:48,000
after taking documents out but you went

628
00:23:51,289 --> 00:23:49,440
back because they're you're trying to

629
00:23:52,789 --> 00:23:51,299
reconnect with all these people yeah to

630
00:23:54,770 --> 00:23:52,799
see what had changed well the the

631
00:23:57,710 --> 00:23:54,780
country had changed dramatically Boris

632
00:23:59,750 --> 00:23:57,720
Yeltsin was no longer in power uh there

633
00:24:01,490 --> 00:23:59,760
had been you'll recall I said there were

634
00:24:04,010 --> 00:24:01,500
daily demonstrations when we were there

635
00:24:06,649 --> 00:24:04,020
in 1993 the pro-communists the

636
00:24:08,630 --> 00:24:06,659
pro-authoritarian folks the Russians who

637
00:24:10,850 --> 00:24:08,640
liked having a big brother type

638
00:24:14,090 --> 00:24:10,860
government they wanted to return to that

639
00:24:16,909 --> 00:24:14,100
and by by 1996 that was on the verge of

640
00:24:19,970 --> 00:24:16,919
happening again the authoritarian folks

641
00:24:23,330 --> 00:24:19,980
who were going to regain power after I'd

642
00:24:25,850 --> 00:24:23,340
come back from 1993 and and publicized

643
00:24:26,810 --> 00:24:25,860
some of these um findings I wrote an

644
00:24:30,730 --> 00:24:26,820
article

645
00:24:34,430 --> 00:24:30,740
mufon I did some public presentations

646
00:24:36,310 --> 00:24:34,440
that material that we made public gets

647
00:24:38,750 --> 00:24:36,320
back to Russia and these Russian

648
00:24:41,149 --> 00:24:38,760
pro-communist newspapers get a hold of

649
00:24:44,029 --> 00:24:41,159
it and they wrote some really harsh

650
00:24:45,770 --> 00:24:44,039
articles naming names of the people who

651
00:24:48,710 --> 00:24:45,780
had cooperated with me Colonel

652
00:24:50,570 --> 00:24:48,720
borasokalov Dr Nikolai caprenna of the

653
00:24:52,370 --> 00:24:50,580
Russian physicist who'd arranged this

654
00:24:54,590 --> 00:24:52,380
trip for us and introduced us to all

655
00:24:56,630 --> 00:24:54,600
these people they named all of them all

656
00:24:58,549 --> 00:24:56,640
the people who had cooperated with us

657
00:25:01,190 --> 00:24:58,559
and talked to us were called out as

658
00:25:04,430 --> 00:25:01,200
Traders Traders did the home to the

659
00:25:06,350 --> 00:25:04,440
Mother Russia uh and as Nikolai capranov

660
00:25:08,029 --> 00:25:06,360
who was my friend Russian physicist who

661
00:25:10,010 --> 00:25:08,039
had helped us set this up

662
00:25:11,810 --> 00:25:10,020
he would not talk to us on that second

663
00:25:13,430 --> 00:25:11,820
trip three years later you're doing our

664
00:25:15,110 --> 00:25:13,440
friend for a long time he wouldn't talk

665
00:25:16,730 --> 00:25:15,120
to us wouldn't meet with us neither

666
00:25:20,990 --> 00:25:16,740
would colonel sokolov

667
00:25:23,090 --> 00:25:21,000
uh neither would uh Dr budikov the the

668
00:25:24,769 --> 00:25:23,100
space scientist uh people that we had

669
00:25:26,630 --> 00:25:24,779
interviewed back then none of them would

670
00:25:28,190 --> 00:25:26,640
beat with us again they were scared and

671
00:25:29,810 --> 00:25:28,200
I don't blame them these guys got

672
00:25:31,909 --> 00:25:29,820
squeezed right that's the whole thing

673
00:25:33,769 --> 00:25:31,919
they got threatened and to this day I

674
00:25:35,570 --> 00:25:33,779
mean you don't have communication they

675
00:25:37,250 --> 00:25:35,580
they were squeezed by their country not

676
00:25:39,350 --> 00:25:37,260
to talk to you about UFOs Nikolai

677
00:25:41,269 --> 00:25:39,360
caprano put it this way he said look he

678
00:25:42,830 --> 00:25:41,279
had communicated he sent us this article

679
00:25:45,049 --> 00:25:42,840
saying boy this is really serious he

680
00:25:46,909 --> 00:25:45,059
said if this has happened five years ago

681
00:25:48,710 --> 00:25:46,919
I would have been put in prison if it

682
00:25:51,409 --> 00:25:48,720
had happened 10 years earlier I would

683
00:25:53,390 --> 00:25:51,419
have been shot so he was done and a lot

684
00:25:55,789 --> 00:25:53,400
of them were done and then the

685
00:25:58,549 --> 00:25:55,799
revisionist historians stepped in there

686
00:26:01,669 --> 00:25:58,559
was a guy we met in 1993 a scientist

687
00:26:03,710 --> 00:26:01,679
named Dr Yuli platov and he described

688
00:26:05,930 --> 00:26:03,720
himself as a friendly skeptic he was

689
00:26:08,149 --> 00:26:05,940
with the Russian Academy of Sciences he

690
00:26:10,490 --> 00:26:08,159
had done some UFO studies he'd collected

691
00:26:13,010 --> 00:26:10,500
UFO cases for their Academy of Sciences

692
00:26:14,870 --> 00:26:13,020
and I got those files and he said he's a

693
00:26:16,669 --> 00:26:14,880
friendly skeptic in the sense that I'm

694
00:26:19,010 --> 00:26:16,679
open to the idea the East could be from

695
00:26:21,470 --> 00:26:19,020
extraterrestrial or somewhere else that

696
00:26:23,510 --> 00:26:21,480
it's not necessarily Earthly but in fact

697
00:26:25,789 --> 00:26:23,520
he was not all that friendly a skeptic

698
00:26:27,590 --> 00:26:25,799
he was like the Phil class of Russia he

699
00:26:30,350 --> 00:26:27,600
debunked everything I think there was

700
00:26:32,269 --> 00:26:30,360
one case that we presented to him

701
00:26:34,370 --> 00:26:32,279
that he was not able to debunk and it

702
00:26:36,289 --> 00:26:34,380
was these Russian Ice circles that had

703
00:26:38,210 --> 00:26:36,299
appeared on a lake uh all the other ones

704
00:26:41,090 --> 00:26:38,220
he had debunked now by the time I get

705
00:26:43,909 --> 00:26:41,100
back there in 1996 the friendly skeptic

706
00:26:45,649 --> 00:26:43,919
who had told me in 93 I don't know about

707
00:26:47,269 --> 00:26:45,659
any Ministry of Defense study I don't

708
00:26:49,130 --> 00:26:47,279
believe there's ever been one I've never

709
00:26:51,769 --> 00:26:49,140
heard of Colonel sokolov there is no

710
00:26:53,870 --> 00:26:51,779
such study I don't think it's true by 96

711
00:26:55,909 --> 00:26:53,880
he had a different story he said oh yeah

712
00:26:58,730 --> 00:26:55,919
there was a study I was in charge of it

713
00:27:00,890 --> 00:26:58,740
not Turtle soccer lab is the ufologist

714
00:27:03,529 --> 00:27:00,900
they described he didn't find find

715
00:27:05,210 --> 00:27:03,539
anything interesting I Dr Plata was in

716
00:27:07,210 --> 00:27:05,220
charge of this and none of these cases

717
00:27:09,169 --> 00:27:07,220
are unexplained which is flat out

718
00:27:11,390 --> 00:27:09,179
Preposterous it is completely

719
00:27:12,710 --> 00:27:11,400
contradicted by the documents that were

720
00:27:14,269 --> 00:27:12,720
produced by the ministry of Defense

721
00:27:16,549 --> 00:27:14,279
Plateau had nothing to do with the

722
00:27:18,230 --> 00:27:16,559
ministry to pets He was unaware that

723
00:27:20,210 --> 00:27:18,240
there had been such a study he didn't

724
00:27:22,610 --> 00:27:20,220
know sokolov at all and suddenly he

725
00:27:24,110 --> 00:27:22,620
rewrote history and I'm not surprised I

726
00:27:26,149 --> 00:27:24,120
mean they were all scared so the people

727
00:27:29,510 --> 00:27:26,159
Not only would they not talk to us in

728
00:27:31,490 --> 00:27:29,520
1996 but the the history of their UFO

729
00:27:34,070 --> 00:27:31,500
program had been completely Rewritten by

730
00:27:35,870 --> 00:27:34,080
that time yeah this is propaganda man we

731
00:27:38,269 --> 00:27:35,880
see this all the time you and I see this

732
00:27:39,890 --> 00:27:38,279
all the time somebody comes forward they

733
00:27:42,110 --> 00:27:39,900
lift their head up and they say and they

734
00:27:43,789 --> 00:27:42,120
tell you what's going on and then the

735
00:27:46,370 --> 00:27:43,799
revisionist the historical revisionist

736
00:27:48,289 --> 00:27:46,380
or just people that want to discredit uh

737
00:27:50,510 --> 00:27:48,299
other you know people using you know

738
00:27:52,549 --> 00:27:50,520
character as a way to attack them his

739
00:27:54,769 --> 00:27:52,559
boss the former deputy defense minister

740
00:27:57,409 --> 00:27:54,779
declined to speak altogether under

741
00:27:59,690 --> 00:27:57,419
orders and even sokolov is now reluctant

742
00:28:01,909 --> 00:27:59,700
to talk in part because he was attacked

743
00:28:04,789 --> 00:28:01,919
in communist newspapers following our

744
00:28:06,830 --> 00:28:04,799
1993 interview there's more than one

745
00:28:09,529 --> 00:28:06,840
kind of chill in the Moscow Air these

746
00:28:11,330 --> 00:28:09,539
days with the double political whammy of

747
00:28:12,890 --> 00:28:11,340
the revived Communists and the scary

748
00:28:15,950 --> 00:28:12,900
nationalists the Russian government

749
00:28:17,930 --> 00:28:15,960
needs a UFO expose like it needs a red

750
00:28:19,970 --> 00:28:17,940
white and blue paint job on the Kremlin

751
00:28:22,190 --> 00:28:19,980
science has received the message

752
00:28:24,409 --> 00:28:22,200
individuals and the Russian Academy are

753
00:28:27,529 --> 00:28:24,419
now downplaying their long-term studies

754
00:28:29,750 --> 00:28:27,539
of UFOs oddly the KGB has opened up

755
00:28:33,590 --> 00:28:29,760
including a release of this long secret

756
00:28:35,750 --> 00:28:33,600
film of a UFO KGB adds it has no ongoing

757
00:28:38,210 --> 00:28:35,760
interest in flying saucers although it

758
00:28:40,010 --> 00:28:38,220
does have several hundred files you know

759
00:28:42,890 --> 00:28:40,020
we see this even with the pilots you

760
00:28:44,750 --> 00:28:42,900
know Commander fraver Lieutenant Ryan

761
00:28:46,190 --> 00:28:44,760
Graves it's like they come they tell

762
00:28:48,769 --> 00:28:46,200
their story oh they don't know what they

763
00:28:51,409 --> 00:28:48,779
saw must have been system uh you know

764
00:28:54,049 --> 00:28:51,419
they couldn't read their systems uh they

765
00:28:56,330 --> 00:28:54,059
people create all of these Fantastical

766
00:28:58,430 --> 00:28:56,340
ideas of why they can discredit somebody

767
00:29:00,169 --> 00:28:58,440
who's a trained pilot or something like

768
00:29:01,850 --> 00:29:00,179
that so we just see it all the time we

769
00:29:03,950 --> 00:29:01,860
see it obviously with Lazar they attack

770
00:29:05,930 --> 00:29:03,960
him saying all these lies about him as a

771
00:29:07,370 --> 00:29:05,940
way to dismiss his story so from a

772
00:29:09,529 --> 00:29:07,380
government standpoint if they want to

773
00:29:12,470 --> 00:29:09,539
try to discredit what was told to you

774
00:29:15,110 --> 00:29:12,480
what is what these documents contradict

775
00:29:17,149 --> 00:29:15,120
then they they use this guy yeah to do

776
00:29:19,250 --> 00:29:17,159
that yeah symptoms rewriting history as

777
00:29:22,070 --> 00:29:19,260
just as as happened in this country many

778
00:29:24,169 --> 00:29:22,080
times so we're in 1996 I go back with

779
00:29:25,970 --> 00:29:24,179
this crew from the BBC they're pretty

780
00:29:27,529 --> 00:29:25,980
disappointed the people that I had told

781
00:29:29,090 --> 00:29:27,539
them we would talk to who would agree

782
00:29:31,070 --> 00:29:29,100
they initially said they would talk to

783
00:29:33,169 --> 00:29:31,080
us and then by when we got there they

784
00:29:35,930 --> 00:29:33,179
said no no nickel like a prenoff or a

785
00:29:37,970 --> 00:29:35,940
sokolov uh Dr budakov none of them would

786
00:29:40,070 --> 00:29:37,980
talk to us at all they had said yes and

787
00:29:41,990 --> 00:29:40,080
then they said no change their minds but

788
00:29:45,230 --> 00:29:42,000
they were not to be deterred I tell you

789
00:29:48,049 --> 00:29:45,240
this guy BBC's uh Jeremy Evans he was a

790
00:29:49,970 --> 00:29:48,059
hard-nosed reporter investigative guy

791
00:29:53,570 --> 00:29:49,980
who found some other people to talk to

792
00:29:55,789 --> 00:29:53,580
one of those was General Igor moltsev

793
00:29:58,549 --> 00:29:55,799
General maltsev had been commander of

794
00:30:00,649 --> 00:29:58,559
Russian air defenses for seven years I

795
00:30:03,889 --> 00:30:00,659
mean right at the height of the military

796
00:30:05,930 --> 00:30:03,899
there he claimed he was unaware of the

797
00:30:08,210 --> 00:30:05,940
study that sokolov had done but he was

798
00:30:09,889 --> 00:30:08,220
aware of incidents that had happened I

799
00:30:12,230 --> 00:30:09,899
asked him about the order did you give

800
00:30:14,630 --> 00:30:12,240
an order that says stand down don't

801
00:30:16,130 --> 00:30:14,640
chase UFOs he says yeah I did WOW

802
00:30:18,049 --> 00:30:16,140
because and he's the one that gave me

803
00:30:20,149 --> 00:30:18,059
the quote I did that because they have

804
00:30:22,490 --> 00:30:20,159
quote incredible capacities for

805
00:30:23,810 --> 00:30:22,500
retaliation don't shoot them because

806
00:30:25,549 --> 00:30:23,820
they'll shoot back

807
00:30:27,830 --> 00:30:25,559
and we know that there were incidents of

808
00:30:29,510 --> 00:30:27,840
that in Russia yeah that's amazing so he

809
00:30:31,909 --> 00:30:29,520
did confirm to you that the Russian

810
00:30:33,529 --> 00:30:31,919
government at first was shoot down UFOs

811
00:30:35,510 --> 00:30:33,539
and then when that didn't work and they

812
00:30:38,450 --> 00:30:35,520
lost a few Pilots Stop leave them alone

813
00:30:40,430 --> 00:30:38,460
he told me a story about and I did an

814
00:30:43,010 --> 00:30:40,440
interview with him on camera for the BBC

815
00:30:45,950 --> 00:30:43,020
and he told me a story about an incident

816
00:30:48,590 --> 00:30:45,960
in 1990 over Moscow where there were a

817
00:30:51,649 --> 00:30:48,600
hundred more than a hundred confirmed

818
00:30:54,110 --> 00:30:51,659
contacts radar and so on and and uh

819
00:30:56,330 --> 00:30:54,120
sensor contact with the UFOs flying

820
00:30:58,190 --> 00:30:56,340
around over over Moscow performing

821
00:31:01,070 --> 00:30:58,200
incredible Maneuvers they'd appear you

822
00:31:02,930 --> 00:31:01,080
could see them physically then or not on

823
00:31:04,730 --> 00:31:02,940
radar then you can see them on radar but

824
00:31:06,110 --> 00:31:04,740
not physically doing all kinds of weird

825
00:31:08,210 --> 00:31:06,120
things the kind of things that our

826
00:31:10,010 --> 00:31:08,220
military has documented as well and he

827
00:31:11,210 --> 00:31:10,020
said that was really the final nail in

828
00:31:12,289 --> 00:31:11,220
the coffin that's when they decided

829
00:31:14,810 --> 00:31:12,299
we're not going to shoot these things

830
00:31:16,490 --> 00:31:14,820
down anymore they're not ours they're

831
00:31:18,470 --> 00:31:16,500
not American they're from somewhere else

832
00:31:20,570 --> 00:31:18,480
that's what he told me yeah the fact

833
00:31:22,430 --> 00:31:20,580
that there's some sort of uh cloaking

834
00:31:23,750 --> 00:31:22,440
capability which is one of the the main

835
00:31:26,029 --> 00:31:23,760
things that the military says about your

836
00:31:27,950 --> 00:31:26,039
foes is that you know you can see them

837
00:31:29,810 --> 00:31:27,960
sometimes on thermal but not with the

838
00:31:32,149 --> 00:31:29,820
Optics of the human eye and and

839
00:31:34,130 --> 00:31:32,159
sometimes vice versa and we we get those

840
00:31:35,450 --> 00:31:34,140
reports from Pilots all the time and I

841
00:31:38,149 --> 00:31:35,460
happen to know and you happen to know

842
00:31:41,330 --> 00:31:38,159
that there are Congress people that also

843
00:31:43,310 --> 00:31:41,340
hear directly from Pilots that say this

844
00:31:45,350 --> 00:31:43,320
is happening to us they draw pictures

845
00:31:47,210 --> 00:31:45,360
for them of what these craft might look

846
00:31:49,610 --> 00:31:47,220
like and they're nothing that we have in

847
00:31:51,409 --> 00:31:49,620
our Arsenal or any other arsenal we also

848
00:31:53,210 --> 00:31:51,419
come to learn that a lot of those Pilots

849
00:31:55,130 --> 00:31:53,220
end up scrubbing that data themselves

850
00:31:57,289 --> 00:31:55,140
they're either told to or they decide to

851
00:31:59,269 --> 00:31:57,299
so that those UFO reports don't go up

852
00:32:01,370 --> 00:31:59,279
the chain of command maybe because of

853
00:32:03,049 --> 00:32:01,380
stigma maybe because they just don't

854
00:32:05,029 --> 00:32:03,059
want to get off Mission but we have a

855
00:32:06,409 --> 00:32:05,039
real problem with that where the

856
00:32:08,570 --> 00:32:06,419
information is not getting to where it

857
00:32:10,190 --> 00:32:08,580
needs to get to like to Arrow hopefully

858
00:32:12,169 --> 00:32:10,200
if they're good or just up the chain of

859
00:32:14,450 --> 00:32:12,179
command there are so many bottlenecks of

860
00:32:17,029 --> 00:32:14,460
reporting UFOs within our military it's

861
00:32:19,850 --> 00:32:17,039
Criminal

862
00:32:21,950 --> 00:32:19,860
um back to Russia so you know a lot of

863
00:32:23,330 --> 00:32:21,960
the doors were closed slammed in our

864
00:32:25,130 --> 00:32:23,340
face the people that we thought were

865
00:32:28,130 --> 00:32:25,140
going to be able to interview at 96

866
00:32:30,769 --> 00:32:28,140
didn't happen so uh we decided to take a

867
00:32:34,909 --> 00:32:30,779
little side trip so we'd fly from Moscow

868
00:32:36,409 --> 00:32:34,919
to Vladivostok and um to go check out

869
00:32:38,870 --> 00:32:36,419
what some have called the Russian

870
00:32:41,630 --> 00:32:38,880
Roswell case and this is this flight

871
00:32:44,269 --> 00:32:41,640
takes place during a blinding snowstorm

872
00:32:47,210 --> 00:32:44,279
we're in this Moscow airport looking out

873
00:32:48,950 --> 00:32:47,220
at snow that is going sideways I'm

874
00:32:50,930 --> 00:32:48,960
thinking there is no possible way we're

875
00:32:54,230 --> 00:32:50,940
going to fly in this storm and in fact

876
00:32:56,810 --> 00:32:54,240
that same storm system uh further south

877
00:32:58,610 --> 00:32:56,820
the U.S Secretary of Commerce named Ron

878
00:33:00,590 --> 00:32:58,620
Brown was flying in that storm system

879
00:33:03,830 --> 00:33:00,600
his plane crashed and he died that same

880
00:33:05,870 --> 00:33:03,840
night we were there and so we we're the

881
00:33:08,330 --> 00:33:05,880
last plane out of Moscow flying to

882
00:33:10,310 --> 00:33:08,340
Vladivostok which is way over on the

883
00:33:12,529 --> 00:33:10,320
Eastern edge of Russia

884
00:33:14,269 --> 00:33:12,539
I think it's like 10 or 12 time zones

885
00:33:16,009 --> 00:33:14,279
that we flew through we get on this

886
00:33:18,350 --> 00:33:16,019
plane

887
00:33:21,049 --> 00:33:18,360
people are smoking and drinking and

888
00:33:23,450 --> 00:33:21,059
farting and belching and partying it was

889
00:33:25,370 --> 00:33:23,460
a wild raqqa scene nothing like any

890
00:33:27,769 --> 00:33:25,380
plane flight I have ever been on before

891
00:33:30,470 --> 00:33:27,779
and I remember them coming the Russian

892
00:33:33,950 --> 00:33:30,480
stewardesses flight attendants bringing

893
00:33:35,389 --> 00:33:33,960
down they served a a meal of chicken and

894
00:33:39,049 --> 00:33:35,399
rice and

895
00:33:40,610 --> 00:33:39,059
red wine for dinner and then it was like

896
00:33:43,190 --> 00:33:40,620
eight nine hours later they come around

897
00:33:45,230 --> 00:33:43,200
again to serve uh breakfast and it's

898
00:33:46,610 --> 00:33:45,240
chicken and rice and white wine for for

899
00:33:48,950 --> 00:33:46,620
breakfast so that's you know if you're

900
00:33:50,509 --> 00:33:48,960
ever wondering what the white wine is

901
00:33:52,970 --> 00:33:50,519
for uh you know for breakfast that's

902
00:33:54,409 --> 00:33:52,980
fine in the wrong country obviously man

903
00:33:57,409 --> 00:33:54,419
that sounds like we fight him out of

904
00:33:59,330 --> 00:33:57,419
Boston it's like a Frontier Town it's so

905
00:34:02,509 --> 00:33:59,340
far removed from Moscow it might as well

906
00:34:05,930 --> 00:34:02,519
be another another country it's a rough

907
00:34:08,510 --> 00:34:05,940
and tumble Seaport it's like the law

908
00:34:11,149 --> 00:34:08,520
unto itself we stay in a hotel that was

909
00:34:13,849 --> 00:34:11,159
like a bunker and uh it was highly

910
00:34:15,649 --> 00:34:13,859
fortified and they said if you want to

911
00:34:17,869 --> 00:34:15,659
go into town we're gonna have to send a

912
00:34:19,730 --> 00:34:17,879
security guy with you no I don't want to

913
00:34:21,829 --> 00:34:19,740
go into town I'm not going by myself we

914
00:34:23,810 --> 00:34:21,839
did go the next day got some video of

915
00:34:25,970 --> 00:34:23,820
the bay and then we got on this

916
00:34:27,530 --> 00:34:25,980
helicopter this ancient helicopter that

917
00:34:29,750 --> 00:34:27,540
they swore had been used by Mikhail

918
00:34:32,089 --> 00:34:29,760
Gorbachev and we fly to a place called

919
00:34:33,470 --> 00:34:32,099
delnagors which is a beautiful little

920
00:34:37,129 --> 00:34:33,480
garden spot

921
00:34:39,530 --> 00:34:37,139
next to Red China and and uh North Korea

922
00:34:43,369 --> 00:34:39,540
uh it's way out in the middle of nowhere

923
00:34:45,829 --> 00:34:43,379
it's a mining town uh no sidewalks

924
00:34:49,490 --> 00:34:45,839
um very harsh conditions and we go there

925
00:34:51,710 --> 00:34:49,500
to meet a guy named Dr uh de jillny and

926
00:34:55,369 --> 00:34:51,720
um he had been a member of the Russian

927
00:34:57,650 --> 00:34:55,379
Academy of Sciences and in 1986 there

928
00:35:00,230 --> 00:34:57,660
had been a crash an object had flown

929
00:35:02,810 --> 00:35:00,240
over the city and then it got real

930
00:35:05,150 --> 00:35:02,820
bright and blew up and crashed on this

931
00:35:07,310 --> 00:35:05,160
Hill height 6-1-1 they called it and the

932
00:35:08,390 --> 00:35:07,320
gilney and his team members climbed up

933
00:35:11,690 --> 00:35:08,400
this mountain

934
00:35:13,270 --> 00:35:11,700
and uh gathered samples of the wreckage

935
00:35:15,530 --> 00:35:13,280
that was up there it was this weird

936
00:35:17,930 --> 00:35:15,540
webbing-like material that covered the

937
00:35:20,150 --> 00:35:17,940
rocks and trees and soil he gathered all

938
00:35:22,609 --> 00:35:20,160
this stuff up tried to do some analysis

939
00:35:24,290 --> 00:35:22,619
crude analysis in his lab and then sent

940
00:35:26,510 --> 00:35:24,300
different samples along with his

941
00:35:28,730 --> 00:35:26,520
findings to different Russian institutes

942
00:35:30,770 --> 00:35:28,740
and it was very strange material

943
00:35:33,650 --> 00:35:30,780
I think I had part of the report that he

944
00:35:35,750 --> 00:35:33,660
had written about this incident and he

945
00:35:40,010 --> 00:35:35,760
said there were 17 different elements in

946
00:35:42,050 --> 00:35:40,020
it lead silicon aluminum tin molybdenum

947
00:35:43,609 --> 00:35:42,060
it was very strange combination of

948
00:35:45,170 --> 00:35:43,619
elements but he said the really strange

949
00:35:46,970 --> 00:35:45,180
thing was

950
00:35:49,130 --> 00:35:46,980
the fact that there was no traces of

951
00:35:51,410 --> 00:35:49,140
sulfur or phosphorus in the fusion it's

952
00:35:53,150 --> 00:35:51,420
practically impossible to make an alloy

953
00:35:53,930 --> 00:35:53,160
like that in Earth conditions in his

954
00:35:56,690 --> 00:35:53,940
words

955
00:35:57,950 --> 00:35:56,700
without phosphorus or sulfur how do you

956
00:36:01,370 --> 00:35:57,960
how do you heat it up how do you make

957
00:36:03,470 --> 00:36:01,380
those Alloys you know I'd gone to a lot

958
00:36:06,950 --> 00:36:03,480
of stock with this crew from the BBC

959
00:36:10,010 --> 00:36:06,960
there were total Pros great guys

960
00:36:13,609 --> 00:36:10,020
and they put together a series they took

961
00:36:17,569 --> 00:36:13,619
my material and retraced the steps from

962
00:36:20,990 --> 00:36:17,579
the 1993 trip that's uh Bryant Blackburn

963
00:36:23,690 --> 00:36:21,000
and I out in front of a KGB headquarters

964
00:36:26,510 --> 00:36:23,700
we posed for that photo of the KGB photo

965
00:36:28,730 --> 00:36:26,520
nap grass Blackburn which we thought was

966
00:36:31,670 --> 00:36:28,740
funny which are Russian hosts did not

967
00:36:35,150 --> 00:36:31,680
think was funny at all

968
00:36:37,970 --> 00:36:35,160
that is height 611 Hill 611 near down

969
00:36:39,650 --> 00:36:37,980
the course where an object exploded and

970
00:36:41,450 --> 00:36:39,660
crashed

971
00:36:44,089 --> 00:36:41,460
it's a story that I'll tell you about at

972
00:36:47,569 --> 00:36:44,099
some time and a lot of the material from

973
00:36:50,870 --> 00:36:47,579
that that crash was sent to various

974
00:36:53,329 --> 00:36:50,880
Russian institutes for analysis some of

975
00:36:57,950 --> 00:36:53,339
it was really strange and the chief

976
00:36:59,329 --> 00:36:57,960
scientist for that Dr dejulny

977
00:37:01,069 --> 00:36:59,339
um

978
00:37:02,329 --> 00:37:01,079
shared some of that material with me I

979
00:37:04,609 --> 00:37:02,339
was able to bring it back and we

980
00:37:06,890 --> 00:37:04,619
actually put it on display at the Atomic

981
00:37:11,870 --> 00:37:06,900
Testing Museum in Las Vegas but Moscow

982
00:37:16,670 --> 00:37:14,450
after being busted trying to videotape a

983
00:37:18,829 --> 00:37:16,680
near whiteout at the airport it was a

984
00:37:21,650 --> 00:37:18,839
nine hour stormy jaunt to the end of the

985
00:37:23,750 --> 00:37:21,660
Earth Vladivostok a crime-infested

986
00:37:27,950 --> 00:37:23,760
Seaport where our hotel's room service

987
00:37:32,569 --> 00:37:30,109
the sarcastic reference is to our ride

988
00:37:35,390 --> 00:37:32,579
on this ancient Chariot through

989
00:37:37,670 --> 00:37:35,400
snowstorms and vast emptiness sometimes

990
00:37:40,190 --> 00:37:37,680
at Treetop level to the gritty

991
00:37:42,950 --> 00:37:40,200
industrial town of downlogorsk where in

992
00:37:45,770 --> 00:37:42,960
1986 something like the Russian Roswell

993
00:37:47,810 --> 00:37:45,780
occurred Witnesses saw an object crash

994
00:37:50,210 --> 00:37:47,820
into this mountain scientists have

995
00:37:52,490 --> 00:37:50,220
analyzed the strange debris but nope

996
00:37:54,170 --> 00:37:52,500
though what they have they also had some

997
00:37:56,870 --> 00:37:54,180
interesting experiments where this

998
00:37:59,569 --> 00:37:56,880
webbing material which has obviously had

999
00:38:00,890 --> 00:37:59,579
been some kind of high technology uh it

1000
00:38:03,349 --> 00:38:00,900
disappeared while he's looking at it

1001
00:38:06,109 --> 00:38:03,359
samples would just disappear so we sent

1002
00:38:08,030 --> 00:38:06,119
it to these Russian academies to be

1003
00:38:09,650 --> 00:38:08,040
analyzed and none of it ever came back

1004
00:38:12,829 --> 00:38:09,660
and they never got any replies from them

1005
00:38:15,770 --> 00:38:12,839
but what did come is other craft other

1006
00:38:18,290 --> 00:38:15,780
UFOs in the days that followed came

1007
00:38:21,050 --> 00:38:18,300
flying over the mountain

1008
00:38:23,569 --> 00:38:21,060
uh shooting down beams of light as if

1009
00:38:25,730 --> 00:38:23,579
they were looking for the wreckage wow

1010
00:38:27,470 --> 00:38:25,740
wow yeah that that whole idea that

1011
00:38:29,390 --> 00:38:27,480
there's some sort of retrieval program

1012
00:38:31,490 --> 00:38:29,400
from the UFOs themselves and that's

1013
00:38:33,890 --> 00:38:31,500
pretty crazy man yeah we did talk to

1014
00:38:36,470 --> 00:38:33,900
some um a Russian military folks who

1015
00:38:37,970 --> 00:38:36,480
said that they had tracked UFOs uh in

1016
00:38:39,230 --> 00:38:37,980
that same time period that had flown

1017
00:38:41,810 --> 00:38:39,240
over down the course that had

1018
00:38:43,790 --> 00:38:41,820
disappeared from the radar sites uh so

1019
00:38:45,290 --> 00:38:43,800
chances are there are others that have

1020
00:38:47,089 --> 00:38:45,300
suggested this is some kind of Russian

1021
00:38:48,530 --> 00:38:47,099
satellite but the fact is the Russian

1022
00:38:50,569 --> 00:38:48,540
government never came looking for it

1023
00:38:51,829 --> 00:38:50,579
satellite it was a Russian satellite you

1024
00:38:54,470 --> 00:38:51,839
would presume that they would come and

1025
00:38:56,150 --> 00:38:54,480
pick it up they didn't de Gionee had

1026
00:38:58,370 --> 00:38:56,160
done the analysis

1027
00:39:01,910 --> 00:38:58,380
sent samples to these uh other places

1028
00:39:04,430 --> 00:39:01,920
gave me some of the samples of the rocks

1029
00:39:06,829 --> 00:39:04,440
and trees that had been charred in the

1030
00:39:08,329 --> 00:39:06,839
fire that followed the the wreck and I

1031
00:39:10,310 --> 00:39:08,339
brought that back and that also went to

1032
00:39:11,750 --> 00:39:10,320
the Atomic Testing Museum as part of

1033
00:39:16,190 --> 00:39:11,760
their exhibit they gave me that stuff

1034
00:39:18,589 --> 00:39:16,200
back just not the simikov Spears yeah so

1035
00:39:20,690 --> 00:39:18,599
they do have all of these you know

1036
00:39:21,950 --> 00:39:20,700
programs to study these samples and do

1037
00:39:23,810 --> 00:39:21,960
all this stuff you just wonder like

1038
00:39:25,970 --> 00:39:23,820
they've had crashes themselves do you

1039
00:39:27,890 --> 00:39:25,980
think that Russia also has reverse

1040
00:39:29,750 --> 00:39:27,900
engineering programs on whole craft well

1041
00:39:31,190 --> 00:39:29,760
that's what I was told and we were

1042
00:39:34,250 --> 00:39:31,200
promised a number of different times

1043
00:39:36,109 --> 00:39:34,260
both in 93 and in 96 I'd ask do you have

1044
00:39:39,530 --> 00:39:36,119
something like an Area 51 have you had

1045
00:39:41,150 --> 00:39:39,540
crashes have you had a advanced

1046
00:39:43,250 --> 00:39:41,160
technology that's being studied or

1047
00:39:45,170 --> 00:39:43,260
analyzed in secret somewhere and we were

1048
00:39:47,569 --> 00:39:45,180
told yes and we were promised a chance

1049
00:39:49,910 --> 00:39:47,579
to go see that and it never happened and

1050
00:39:51,829 --> 00:39:49,920
I don't know that it ever will happen so

1051
00:39:53,870 --> 00:39:51,839
so what's the takeaway after all these

1052
00:39:55,069 --> 00:39:53,880
years when you went to Russia now twice

1053
00:39:56,270 --> 00:39:55,079
and you talked with all of these

1054
00:39:58,130 --> 00:39:56,280
scientists and you talked with all these

1055
00:39:59,810 --> 00:39:58,140
government people you brought back the

1056
00:40:01,310 --> 00:39:59,820
documents you shared it with with

1057
00:40:03,109 --> 00:40:01,320
certain groups that needed you know what

1058
00:40:05,150 --> 00:40:03,119
what is the takeaway of all this sounds

1059
00:40:07,190 --> 00:40:05,160
like a form of disclosure man what's the

1060
00:40:09,349 --> 00:40:07,200
takeaway well I mean I do I think that

1061
00:40:10,910 --> 00:40:09,359
you know we sat there went there with

1062
00:40:12,710 --> 00:40:10,920
the idea of learning more from the

1063
00:40:14,569 --> 00:40:12,720
Russians about what America knows than

1064
00:40:16,609 --> 00:40:14,579
we might get from the phone American

1065
00:40:19,310 --> 00:40:16,619
government I think we did I mean they

1066
00:40:21,109 --> 00:40:19,320
they confirmed that they as a superpower

1067
00:40:23,089 --> 00:40:21,119
at that time were doing the same thing

1068
00:40:24,770 --> 00:40:23,099
that we were they were studying it in

1069
00:40:26,510 --> 00:40:24,780
secret they were trying to develop the

1070
00:40:28,310 --> 00:40:26,520
technology they wanted to get an

1071
00:40:30,470 --> 00:40:28,320
advantage over their uh their

1072
00:40:31,849 --> 00:40:30,480
geopolitical Rivals same thing that the

1073
00:40:33,470 --> 00:40:31,859
American government has been doing at

1074
00:40:35,450 --> 00:40:33,480
the same time they are telling their

1075
00:40:37,670 --> 00:40:35,460
public pay no attention to this there's

1076
00:40:39,650 --> 00:40:37,680
nothing to it it's American propaganda

1077
00:40:42,170 --> 00:40:39,660
there's nothing don't don't worry about

1078
00:40:43,910 --> 00:40:42,180
it it's a bunch of nonsense the public

1079
00:40:46,910 --> 00:40:43,920
the Russian public like the American

1080
00:40:49,370 --> 00:40:46,920
public saw through it they maintained an

1081
00:40:52,010 --> 00:40:49,380
ongoing if underground interest in UFOs

1082
00:40:54,290 --> 00:40:52,020
and then for that brief period there in

1083
00:40:57,290 --> 00:40:54,300
the in the early 90s they were out

1084
00:40:59,150 --> 00:40:57,300
allowed to talk about it in in person uh

1085
00:41:01,130 --> 00:40:59,160
in public events on the day that I

1086
00:41:02,870 --> 00:41:01,140
arrived there was a UFO conference that

1087
00:41:05,030 --> 00:41:02,880
I went to the first time in that first

1088
00:41:06,770 --> 00:41:05,040
trip in 1993 and we interviewed a bunch

1089
00:41:08,630 --> 00:41:06,780
of people who were there I I don't

1090
00:41:11,089 --> 00:41:08,640
imagine that they're still having UFO

1091
00:41:12,710 --> 00:41:11,099
conferences the only real good reports

1092
00:41:15,470 --> 00:41:12,720
we get out of Russia anymore come from

1093
00:41:17,750 --> 00:41:15,480
our friend Paul Stonehill who samples

1094
00:41:20,329 --> 00:41:17,760
Russian media and and reports when they

1095
00:41:22,069 --> 00:41:20,339
have UFO incidents but I think that

1096
00:41:24,170 --> 00:41:22,079
window of opportunity

1097
00:41:26,569 --> 00:41:24,180
that was open for a very brief time

1098
00:41:29,089 --> 00:41:26,579
there in the early 1990s has now closed

1099
00:41:30,890 --> 00:41:29,099
for probably forever yeah man I guess

1100
00:41:32,810 --> 00:41:30,900
one day it would just be amazing if we

1101
00:41:34,670 --> 00:41:32,820
could you know have coordination between

1102
00:41:36,890 --> 00:41:34,680
governments to try to work on some of

1103
00:41:37,970 --> 00:41:36,900
this technology I don't it's never going

1104
00:41:39,710 --> 00:41:37,980
to happen everybody wants a

1105
00:41:41,150 --> 00:41:39,720
technological advantage on this reverse

1106
00:41:44,750 --> 00:41:41,160
engineering programs

1107
00:41:47,210 --> 00:41:44,760
so I'm amazed at the ferocity and

1108
00:41:49,190 --> 00:41:47,220
ugliness of anti-American sentiments now

1109
00:41:52,069 --> 00:41:49,200
current in Russia the Grimm assessment

1110
00:41:54,230 --> 00:41:52,079
by former KGB General Oleg collusion is

1111
00:41:56,870 --> 00:41:54,240
at odds with the friendly face placed on

1112
00:41:59,150 --> 00:41:56,880
U.S Russian relations by politicians it

1113
00:42:01,670 --> 00:41:59,160
was collusion's job to direct an army of

1114
00:42:04,130 --> 00:42:01,680
KGB spies stationed all over the world

1115
00:42:06,589 --> 00:42:04,140
Nevada was always a prime target of

1116
00:42:08,569 --> 00:42:06,599
Espionage he says and the KGB had

1117
00:42:11,510 --> 00:42:08,579
intense subversion plans for this area

1118
00:42:13,670 --> 00:42:11,520
including the sabotage of Hoover Dam and

1119
00:42:15,530 --> 00:42:13,680
the poisoning of our water supply while

1120
00:42:17,510 --> 00:42:15,540
subversion is no longer on the front

1121
00:42:20,030 --> 00:42:17,520
burner for the Russians the general says

1122
00:42:23,870 --> 00:42:20,040
the new Russian president seems to long

1123
00:42:27,829 --> 00:42:23,880
for the good old days Mr Putin's heart

1124
00:42:30,829 --> 00:42:27,839
and soul belonged to this Soviet system

1125
00:42:32,930 --> 00:42:30,839
he admires comrade Joseph Stalin

1126
00:42:35,210 --> 00:42:32,940
collusion should know Russian President

1127
00:42:38,089 --> 00:42:35,220
Vladimir Putin worked directly under

1128
00:42:40,670 --> 00:42:38,099
collusion at the KGB Putin openly

1129
00:42:43,010 --> 00:42:40,680
admires even publicly toasts mass

1130
00:42:45,349 --> 00:42:43,020
murderer Joseph Stalin can you imagine

1131
00:42:48,910 --> 00:42:45,359
in Germany today

1132
00:42:52,970 --> 00:42:48,920
anyone of the political leaders drinking

1133
00:42:55,430 --> 00:42:52,980
blessed memory of Adolf Hitler Putin he

1134
00:42:58,370 --> 00:42:55,440
says still has a spy's attitude about

1135
00:43:01,670 --> 00:42:58,380
how to best deal with adversaries vodka

1136
00:43:03,349 --> 00:43:01,680
blackmail and a threat to kill Isn't it

1137
00:43:06,650 --> 00:43:03,359
nice for the president or a big country

1138
00:43:08,690 --> 00:43:06,660
even though KGB no longer exists its

1139
00:43:10,849 --> 00:43:08,700
successor still spreads fear not only

1140
00:43:13,370 --> 00:43:10,859
internationally but at home in Russia

1141
00:43:16,190 --> 00:43:13,380
when this reporter visited Russia twice

1142
00:43:18,410 --> 00:43:16,200
in the 1990s most average citizens there

1143
00:43:20,630 --> 00:43:18,420
told us they simply assume they are

1144
00:43:23,630 --> 00:43:20,640
always being watched with Putin in

1145
00:43:25,790 --> 00:43:23,640
charge that paranoia is reinforced in

1146
00:43:28,430 --> 00:43:25,800
the U.S and elsewhere Russia's already

1147
00:43:31,730 --> 00:43:28,440
huge spy Network now operates with

1148
00:43:35,510 --> 00:43:31,740
powerful new allies Mobsters Russian

1149
00:43:37,250 --> 00:43:35,520
criminal elements are now omnipotent I

1150
00:43:40,069 --> 00:43:37,260
mean they are everywhere

1151
00:43:43,550 --> 00:43:40,079
and the Russian Security Services may

1152
00:43:45,309 --> 00:43:43,560
use criminals to settle scores with

1153
00:43:48,230 --> 00:43:45,319
those who they find

1154
00:43:50,329 --> 00:43:48,240
inconvenience local lawmen confirmed

1155
00:43:52,550 --> 00:43:50,339
there was already a strong Russian mob

1156
00:43:54,170 --> 00:43:52,560
presence here and collusion warns as

1157
00:43:56,569 --> 00:43:54,180
long as Southern Nevada is home to

1158
00:43:58,609 --> 00:43:56,579
important defense installations spies

1159
00:44:01,190 --> 00:43:58,619
will always be here I wouldn't be

1160
00:44:03,970 --> 00:44:01,200
surprised if there are some people who

1161
00:44:06,890 --> 00:44:03,980
would be very much interested in

1162
00:44:09,470 --> 00:44:06,900
ferreting out information related to the

1163
00:44:11,870 --> 00:44:09,480
defense installations to Department of

1164
00:44:14,329 --> 00:44:11,880
energy operations after all divada is

1165
00:44:17,270 --> 00:44:14,339
one of the crucial States George Knapp

1166
00:44:19,430 --> 00:44:17,280
Eyewitness News you know why don't

1167
00:44:21,230 --> 00:44:19,440
governments come clean on this our

1168
00:44:22,849 --> 00:44:21,240
mutual friend the late Stan Friedman

1169
00:44:26,150 --> 00:44:22,859
used to talk about that he would say

1170
00:44:28,069 --> 00:44:26,160
look I mean no government on Earth wants

1171
00:44:29,930 --> 00:44:28,079
to admit that there's things flying

1172
00:44:31,550 --> 00:44:29,940
around in their skies and they can't do

1173
00:44:34,069 --> 00:44:31,560
anything about it flying around with

1174
00:44:36,109 --> 00:44:34,079
impudity over sensitive sensitive sites

1175
00:44:38,690 --> 00:44:36,119
over nuclear bases nuclear missiles

1176
00:44:40,790 --> 00:44:38,700
military facilities does the president

1177
00:44:42,589 --> 00:44:40,800
come out and say sorry nothing we can do

1178
00:44:45,230 --> 00:44:42,599
about that he said that you know

1179
00:44:47,569 --> 00:44:45,240
eventually when this comes out that we

1180
00:44:49,250 --> 00:44:47,579
earthlings no matter what country you

1181
00:44:51,109 --> 00:44:49,260
live in might start thinking of

1182
00:44:53,390 --> 00:44:51,119
ourselves as earthlings as opposed to

1183
00:44:55,309 --> 00:44:53,400
Americans or Russians and no government

1184
00:44:57,710 --> 00:44:55,319
wants that to happen yeah I think that's

1185
00:44:59,150 --> 00:44:57,720
true yeah so I mean we we know that to

1186
00:45:00,589 --> 00:44:59,160
be true within the United States

1187
00:45:02,809 --> 00:45:00,599
programs that we are aware of that

1188
00:45:04,730 --> 00:45:02,819
whistleblowers are testifying right now

1189
00:45:06,230 --> 00:45:04,740
behind closed doors that there are these

1190
00:45:08,030 --> 00:45:06,240
programs and we've been working on it

1191
00:45:10,010 --> 00:45:08,040
but it sounds like unsuccessfully I mean

1192
00:45:11,690 --> 00:45:10,020
I maintain what I keep hearing through

1193
00:45:13,730 --> 00:45:11,700
all this time from people that are

1194
00:45:16,370 --> 00:45:13,740
involved is that our Material Science

1195
00:45:18,770 --> 00:45:16,380
needs to catch up to be able to

1196
00:45:21,170 --> 00:45:18,780
fabricate what it is that these craft

1197
00:45:22,790 --> 00:45:21,180
are built from they can do they said

1198
00:45:24,770 --> 00:45:22,800
derivatives right we get a lot of

1199
00:45:26,870 --> 00:45:24,780
derivatives so you learn a lot through

1200
00:45:29,630 --> 00:45:26,880
the process of interrogation of these

1201
00:45:33,470 --> 00:45:29,640
either materials or whole craft as we've

1202
00:45:35,569 --> 00:45:33,480
heard but can we fabricate so that we

1203
00:45:37,730 --> 00:45:35,579
can duplicate these vehicles themselves

1204
00:45:39,650 --> 00:45:37,740
and the answer has always been no and

1205
00:45:41,930 --> 00:45:39,660
it's you know we've been told that over

1206
00:45:43,370 --> 00:45:41,940
and over and over that it's not that we

1207
00:45:45,230 --> 00:45:43,380
don't have the brightest Minds on it

1208
00:45:47,930 --> 00:45:45,240
necessarily it's that we physically

1209
00:45:51,710 --> 00:45:47,940
can't atomically layer and perfectly

1210
00:45:53,690 --> 00:45:51,720
atomically layer to build these machines

1211
00:45:55,250 --> 00:45:53,700
I guess um the derivative Technologies

1212
00:45:57,829 --> 00:45:55,260
is a big deal though and that's a reason

1213
00:45:59,990 --> 00:45:57,839
to keep the secret yeah I think so I

1214
00:46:02,329 --> 00:46:00,000
think in a legitimate National Security

1215
00:46:04,010 --> 00:46:02,339
issues involved it comes hand in hand

1216
00:46:05,990 --> 00:46:04,020
with it there's no getting around it you

1217
00:46:07,730 --> 00:46:06,000
know as as we have been told you know

1218
00:46:09,770 --> 00:46:07,740
you can't tell your friends without

1219
00:46:11,990 --> 00:46:09,780
telling your enemies right and this

1220
00:46:14,270 --> 00:46:12,000
technology whoever gets it they win you

1221
00:46:15,710 --> 00:46:14,280
know if if in fact we can ever duplicate

1222
00:46:17,089 --> 00:46:15,720
it I'm not sure that we're going to be

1223
00:46:19,069 --> 00:46:17,099
able to yeah yeah people like to

1224
00:46:20,750 --> 00:46:19,079
theorize that we are flying what we see

1225
00:46:23,210 --> 00:46:20,760
as the tick tocks this is some sort of

1226
00:46:25,670 --> 00:46:23,220
technology that we have created some

1227
00:46:27,710 --> 00:46:25,680
leap on and it's U.S technology what

1228
00:46:29,809 --> 00:46:27,720
this stuff has been around

1229
00:46:31,970 --> 00:46:29,819
since the beginning of history but even

1230
00:46:33,950 --> 00:46:31,980
just when we were seeing Foo Fighters

1231
00:46:36,170 --> 00:46:33,960
both sides of the war thought it was

1232
00:46:38,569 --> 00:46:36,180
each other's we're seeing that now so I

1233
00:46:40,069 --> 00:46:38,579
I wish it was a sad day when I learned

1234
00:46:41,150 --> 00:46:40,079
that this was not our attack and I was

1235
00:46:43,849 --> 00:46:41,160
sure that that was correct information

1236
00:46:46,730 --> 00:46:43,859
it was a sad day I was sure we had made

1237
00:46:48,349 --> 00:46:46,740
breakthroughs apparently we haven't so

1238
00:46:50,690 --> 00:46:48,359
so that's that's where we're at man

1239
00:46:52,910 --> 00:46:50,700
governments lie about this they've

1240
00:46:55,069 --> 00:46:52,920
always lied about it they tell us to

1241
00:46:57,530 --> 00:46:55,079
move along nothing to see here they're

1242
00:46:59,030 --> 00:46:57,540
Liars they might have good reasons for

1243
00:47:00,950 --> 00:46:59,040
lying about it

1244
00:47:02,569 --> 00:47:00,960
um I suspect that there is a very small

1245
00:47:04,790 --> 00:47:02,579
group of people who really know what's

1246
00:47:06,530 --> 00:47:04,800
going on uh that the the rest of

1247
00:47:08,690 --> 00:47:06,540
government and the military really have

1248
00:47:09,890 --> 00:47:08,700
no idea that they believed that what

1249
00:47:12,109 --> 00:47:09,900
they've been told that there's nothing

1250
00:47:14,750 --> 00:47:12,119
to it then it's all misidentifications

1251
00:47:17,690 --> 00:47:14,760
of prosaic objects but there is an

1252
00:47:19,609 --> 00:47:17,700
effort to figure out the technology we

1253
00:47:20,990 --> 00:47:19,619
know now from some friends of ours in

1254
00:47:23,089 --> 00:47:21,000
Congress that they're trying to get to

1255
00:47:25,250 --> 00:47:23,099
the bottom of it I wish them a lot of

1256
00:47:27,109 --> 00:47:25,260
luck but the people who have been

1257
00:47:29,270 --> 00:47:27,119
keeping these secrets all these decades

1258
00:47:31,370 --> 00:47:29,280
are a lot better at their job I think

1259
00:47:34,430 --> 00:47:31,380
Than People Like Us are at ours and

1260
00:47:36,650 --> 00:47:34,440
that's it's a an uphill fight it in in

1261
00:47:38,690 --> 00:47:36,660
America in Russia and other countries

1262
00:47:40,490 --> 00:47:38,700
around the world uh all we can do is

1263
00:47:41,870 --> 00:47:40,500
certos is keep trying to kick down doors

1264
00:47:43,490 --> 00:47:41,880
and Report the news so thanks for

1265
00:47:44,930 --> 00:47:43,500
sharing the the Russia story with

1266
00:47:46,970 --> 00:47:44,940
everybody I think it's important part of

1267
00:47:48,349 --> 00:47:46,980
UFO history that the wider audience

1268
00:47:49,609 --> 00:47:48,359
hasn't heard you've shared a lot with me

1269
00:47:51,530 --> 00:47:49,619
over beers or something like that but

1270
00:47:53,990 --> 00:47:51,540
now people get to hear it I'd love to go

1271
00:47:55,490 --> 00:47:54,000
back I I love visiting Russia there's

1272
00:47:57,170 --> 00:47:55,500
not a chance in hell that I'm going to

1273
00:47:58,910 --> 00:47:57,180
go back I mean you know they just

1274
00:48:00,890 --> 00:47:58,920
arrested an American journalist there

1275
00:48:02,990 --> 00:48:00,900
charged him with Espionage a couple of

1276
00:48:05,329 --> 00:48:03,000
weeks ago for what was obviously not

1277
00:48:07,609 --> 00:48:05,339
Espionage a lot of Russian journalists

1278
00:48:09,470 --> 00:48:07,619
have been bumped off like about one a

1279
00:48:11,690 --> 00:48:09,480
month they've been dying in strange ways

1280
00:48:13,430 --> 00:48:11,700
falling out of buildings uh it's not

1281
00:48:15,290 --> 00:48:13,440
something I I think I would ever go back

1282
00:48:17,270 --> 00:48:15,300
there unless there was a radical change

1283
00:48:18,950 --> 00:48:17,280
in their government but I'd love to at

1284
00:48:20,930 --> 00:48:18,960
some point but anyway don't worry like

1285
00:48:22,490 --> 00:48:20,940
normal you'll send me in as bait someday

1286
00:48:29,170 --> 00:48:22,500
and I'll go to Russia for us yeah you

1287
00:48:35,750 --> 00:48:32,030
[Music]

1288
00:48:43,690 --> 00:48:40,010
never have so few had so much to tell

1289
00:48:45,530 --> 00:48:43,700
but could say so little

1290
00:48:47,329 --> 00:48:45,540
following this little weaponized

1291
00:48:48,950 --> 00:48:47,339
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1292
00:48:51,170 --> 00:48:48,960
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1293
00:48:53,329 --> 00:48:51,180
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